The 13th Amendment declared that “neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted shall exist within the United States.” This session explores the nuances of the 13th Amendment by considering its relationship to mass incarceration among black men. Is it slavery by another name?

NPR editor and producer of Code Switch Juleyka Lantigua-Williams moderates a conversation with Ms. Christina Swarns and Dr. Greg Carr. Swarns is the Director of Litigation for the NAACP-Legal Defense Fund. Carr is associate professor and chair of the Department of Afro-American Studies at Howard University.